ROGER - the TH and the people of Arboleas. Do we care?

[felipe]

We are locking all topics regarding the situation at Sophias and the gym and PIRdA. What started off as a simple request for new accommodation for PIRdA has turned into the regurgitation of assaults on Sophias. No matter what members views are on the topic, unless responses by those other than Roger are forthcoming then it is a pretty much pointless discussion.
Only those being targeted know what the truth is and will, I assume, post that truth at some stage, in order to alleviate the concerns raised by Roger involving the qualifications of people offering health care. 

This, as far as we are concerned is an end to the matter any further posts on this subject will be deleted.

[macc]

Ray1946, hope the people living here who voted for Brexit are pleased with the results???? :57: Some people are just weirdly funny. You are correct Byrney, there are only 2 policia local in Zurgena.

[ray1946]

Hope the people living here who voted for Brexit are pleased with the results???? All the uncertainty about our rights, the probability of no English representatives on councils etc. after March 2019.  Do they sit in the bars in Arboleas congratulating themselves for what they have achieved??? They sat there mouthing off before the referendum ("only Brexiteers can sit here")  but I haven't heard them recently.   

[Tetley]

I was in Hull last week,i think we still have 6 pc,s on patrol,but i only saw 2 cars all week..........


( its not all good tho...as both cars & coppers were in ASDA nicking shop lifters )

[Grakens2]

Maria Lousa has been very helpful to me, and I know to others. She works hard within the community. We are lucky to have such a person.

[Cuidarbol]

Reference Policia Local in Arboleas:-

It have been told (horses mouth) we are down to one officer, namely Maria Louisa.
The job involves a lot of work and it is now all in her hands, so please be patient if you need her help.

I am not getting involved in any further comments, this is for your information so as to understand the position she is in on her own for the moment.

Thank you.   

[byrney]

I live there and I believe that it is two Policia Locale but then I may be wrong.  I have never seen six PL and only know the faces of two of them.  Maybe they are incognito (being such a den of iniquity unlike Arboleas).

[sallyb]

I asked the question of someone who lives there and that was the answer I got, also believe this has been mentioned on the Forum before.

[byrney]

Sallyb - where do you get the info that Zurgena has SIX Policia Locale? Suggest you check your facts as I believe there are two of them......

[Moyra]

Anyone heard from Roger ??

I do hope he stays.

[Iceman]

On the question of Tenders, it does  seem that all the building work done on or around the town for the TH seem to be done by Graysans  which is partly owned by the Mayors family, I just wonder if it all goes out to tender?  I would like a reply from TH in the interest of transparency.

[raysun]

Jo job  an idea might be to leave the socialist and other uk political claptrap back in the uk where it belongs. Enjoy the lifestyle and the sun , go have a beer and leave the political mantra nonsense for the uk pleeeaase.

[languagesolutions]

Lets hope this dont kick off........

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505891512_285586.html

That would make brexit appear to be a mere bagatelle. Potential for more trouble than the Basques.

it would be a disaster,there is no way the government or armed forces will allow autonomous regions of spain Secession,Arboleas problems are solveable,Catalunia could be a very diffrent and effect us ALL.

This is what happens when instead of sorting out a problem, you just ignore it totally for 8 years. Then you decide to arrest people and confiscate anything to do with the referendum two weeks before.
Stupid idiots.
Politics is a game of give and take. If you stop giving and just take, you're screwed 😉

[sallyb]

Don't keep putting this on the Policia local, they are employed by the TH and do as they are told. Plus they are overworked being only 2 of them when Zugena has 6 plus a Guardia office and their is not a lot of difference in the number of inhabitants.

[Tetley]

Lets hope this dont kick off........

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505891512_285586.html

That would make brexit appear to be a mere bagatelle. Potential for more trouble than the Basques.

it would be a disaster,there is no way the government or armed forces will allow autonomous regions of spain Secession,Arboleas problems are solveable,Catalunia could be a very diffrent and effect us ALL.

[Lynden]

Lets hope this dont kick off........

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505891512_285586.html

That would make brexit appear to be a mere bagatelle. Potential for more trouble than the Basques.

[Tetley]

Lets hope this dont kick off........

https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/09/20/inenglish/1505891512_285586.html

[Jo-JoB]

Tet's

''ie when you no longer got shot for been a socalist''

There are many on here who would love to shoot socialists!!!

[raysun]

Perhaps all the posters on here that had lots to say earlier about the situation re sophias  and the towh hall  should  now vote on the now available post re sophias.  Simple yes or no  but be very aware of what each  one means.
Best of luck to whoever comes out on top and hopefully it will have no bearing on the official contract proceedure later.

[raysun]

Gus i appreciate your point. I know the policia go around checking if anyone with a new pile of sand or blocks on view around their house has licencia as happened to me when i put some cladding on my wall to improve the look of the house and the road that i live on. Everything had to stop until i got a licencia. Fair cop . Pity they  were not so observant when my house was burgled and days went by before they noticed the broken window, wrecker etc.  And i quite understand that they cannot be everywhere before i get jumped on.  My point was that i just wanted to know if a planning license had been applied for before i went to the policia. Surely there is a dept in the town hall that has that info on file without wasting marie louises time. This particular counciller had no interest whatsoever in my neighbours  building habits or my query. It was just ( send the fool further. ) attitude. At least when you ask roger something you expect to get a respectful reply whether it is to your liking or not.

[gus-lopez]

Right on sparkiemike, as well as the green eyed monster there is also self preservation  and self interests also at play  here. All will become clear as time goes on methinks. When i asked a prominent member of the town hall cuncillers recently for advice on illegal building works being carried out on my neighbours house he directed me to marie louise.  I thought the policia were the policia  and matters of planning and building were town hall responsibility. If thats what this counciller is being paid for with my money then  enough said.
Nice day now

It is part & parcel of Policía local job description everywhere that they check any building work that starts  or is in process. If no paperwork then they can shut the job down & start the process of prosecution. The councillor can't.

[raysun]

Right on sparkiemike, as well as the green eyed monster there is also self preservation  and self interests also at play  here. All will become clear as time goes on methinks. When i asked a prominent member of the town hall cuncillers recently for advice on illegal building works being carried out on my neighbours house he directed me to marie louise.  I thought the policia were the policia  and matters of planning and building were town hall responsibility. If thats what this counciller is being paid for with my money then  enough said.
Nice day now

[sparkiemike]

It seems to me the green eyed monster may be playing a part in all this

Roger is high profile,  a good communicator, gets on with most people & most of all gets thing done

Mie

[raysun]

Just to add my support for roger. Perhaps if cristobal  spent less time with his measuring tape almost everyday measuring the roadworks etc. I know he is an engineer by trade but more time in th on other matters would be better used. Why employ a dog and bark yourself. ??? At this stage the dogs in the street know that danny ,mike and the mayor dont agree with the way roger does things and they dont seem too interested in transparency. This will become  clearer once certain contracts have been sorted out at the end of the month. Roger always says it as he sees it and that doesent always agree with  some others.   All the  best roger whatever you decide.

[Tetley]

Yes another socalist party , i belive he had a disagreement with the PSOE when he came out of office in 2003 ,but when he becaome PSA Mayor with Roger,they later re joined the PSOE  flock as this was seen as the best way to get help with the innovations required to sort the planning out,and here we are... planning sorted out within 6 years wile other badly effected areas,did jack shxt.


brits really do need to be glass half full and GO  and see him directly.

[Lynden]

Sorry Tets but he may have been Mayor on and off but certainly not continuously for 30 years......and wasn't he part of the PSA party for a while to?

[Tetley]

Were Red Busing again.... lol

he has been Mayor for 30 years and help  form the PSOE  in Arboleas from transion period in the early 80,s

ie from dictorship under Franco in the mid 70,s through to the democratic constitution/transion

ie when you no longer got shot for been a socalist...and had a new democracey .


nothing is perfect,just ask the poor bxggers in the uk that are  having there houses binned for the new........ train line  HS2

[Lynden]

From the threads and comments there certainly seems to be a rift at the TH between Roger and the Mayor and maybe some others. This is really unfortunate as the teamwork at the TH has delivered benefit to all Arboleans for many years. I truly hope that this can be fixed and any ego or self interest be put aside for the greater good. Everyone who attends any upcoming meeting should try to reconcile and compromise for th3 good of the community.
I hope Roger and the TH team can continue to work together. I'm sure the Mayor knows the level of support Roger has in the community and would not want to lose his expertise.
If Roger does feel it is time to retire then I for one will be grateful for his work. But I doubt anyone would welcome the return of the PP to power in Arbiland.

The PP have never been in power here  :a102:

Wrong choice of words......return of the kind of behaviour seen previously in Arboleas and Zurgena by the local Mayors would be more appropriate.

[Tetley]

It would be nice if every body could be calm as well,

the Mayor has done a good job, we pay 300/400e a year council tax and live in an area the size of Guernsey with up dates and improvments going on all over the shop.

also other areas,s with massive housing problems have done Jack Shxt abought it,so people need to be glass half full.

anyway he is on our road this morning working so why not pop along and have a word directly.

[languagesolutions]

From the threads and comments there certainly seems to be a rift at the TH between Roger and the Mayor and maybe some others. This is really unfortunate as the teamwork at the TH has delivered benefit to all Arboleans for many years. I truly hope that this can be fixed and any ego or self interest be put aside for the greater good. Everyone who attends any upcoming meeting should try to reconcile and compromise for th3 good of the community.
I hope Roger and the TH team can continue to work together. I'm sure the Mayor knows the level of support Roger has in the community and would not want to lose his expertise.
If Roger does feel it is time to retire then I for one will be grateful for his work. But I doubt anyone would welcome the return of the PP to power in Arbiland.

The PP have never been in power here  :a102:

[Lynden]

From the threads and comments there certainly seems to be a rift at the TH between Roger and the Mayor and maybe some others. This is really unfortunate as the teamwork at the TH has delivered benefit to all Arboleans for many years. I truly hope that this can be fixed and any ego or self interest be put aside for the greater good. Everyone who attends any upcoming meeting should try to reconcile and compromise for th3 good of the community.
I hope Roger and the TH team can continue to work together. I'm sure the Mayor knows the level of support Roger has in the community and would not want to lose his expertise.
If Roger does feel it is time to retire then I for one will be grateful for his work. But I doubt anyone would welcome the return of the PP to power in Arbiland.

[languagesolutions]

Thanks for your response Roger.

Good luck with the meeting tomorrow, maybe then we'll know what's happening exactly. Could you just confirm that anybody can take part in a public tender process? It seems like people on this forum think you need an invitation. Personally, I think it's a good idea. Stacey could take part, along with other companies, for example...

Regarding being ignored, it seems strange that after 6? years and 2 local election campaigns together, you are now being ignored... I'm sure it must be sortable. I must admit I haven't had that much to do with the TH, but you have always seemed to have got on well, at least fighting together to get Innovación 14 passed, projects for the village,...

"Hablando se entiende la gente"  :58:

[Roger]

In Response.
I have not gone yet.
Tomorrow I have a meeting with the Mayor and Stacey to try to find a solution. It should be very simple, but I am not optimistic.
As for the computer club, I hope that the whole community give their opinion.
I worked hard to get both these activities in Arboleas because they are a great benefit to the community.
This action was taken without me being informed or consulted.
Now the Spanish Councillors are criticising me for expressing my opinion in public.
I have written back to them to state that this is transparency and democracy.
The British Councillors have said nothing.

As for Ben Bamford's question about why now,
First of all he should read the informed comment from Amanda Oakley. It should make people think. (However I see that it has been removed, presumably because the C word is used).
Second,
There is a limit to anyone's patience at being ignored.
I am never consulted about the work which stops and starts in the barriadas, road and sewer work which no-one can understand.
I was not consulted about the action in relation to the bar and Sophias (which are going out to tender) or the computer club room and the gymnastics, which are not going out to tender.
I was not informed when these activities were told to cease activities by 30th September.
How can any representative of the people ignore the unqualified quasi medical activities in a council building?
The Mayor has said that it is not our responsibility.
Why are we allowing a private company to make probably 50,000 euros profit from the punto limpio, and paying nothing to the Town Hall? Why was my proposal for this profit to come to the Town Hall ignored?

There are many other frustrations.

As for Brexit, nothing is yet decided.
The EU wants us to keep our vote, the UK does not.
We all await the outcome.
The added complication is that in May 2019 (the next local elections) the UK may still be in a transitional arrangement and no-one knows what rights we will retain during this transition.

[languagesolutions]

There seems to be a lot of "facts". So far, from what I gather:
- Roger has just stated in the other thread: "no tender for gym"
- PRAdA stated there would be tender, but they weren't invited.
- Cristóbal stated on Facebook that there would be tender and that Stacey and whoever wanted to could participate

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it the councillors duty to let the public know what is really going on? Roger, Mike & Danny mainly, being British. And also, as citizens, shouldn't we stop spreading rumours and creating polls and go to the TH and find out what's going on?

I understand that there maybe issues between Roger/TH, but until Roger is no longer a councillor, surely it should be his job (or Danny's or Mike's) to make a statement on behalf of the TH...or again, Stacey, the PRAdA,... could go and speak to the Mayor, find out the facts and let us know  

Lovely song by Blur to listen to meanwhile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T8LMZhz6FQ

[felipe]

In fairness, Chris for PRAdA has been quite clear at what she was told by the mayor. That they have to move out and will not be asked to tender. Same for Stacy. So is that not factual? What more can be said? Surely a reason for them being asked to leave would not go amiss.