Innovation 14

[Tetley]

Zills Mar med 191 quid last year profit....tha man in the tax office said she should think abought retirin,but she said ..."work get mi out luv and id rather work away than waste away"

1930,s kids diffrent breed   

[zilnor]

Angleseyite

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[Angleseyite]

Depends how much your pensions are, ( if you're a pensioner) .
If you get more than around £170 a week, you'll get sfa , other than a 25% reduction on your council tax if you live on your own.

Zills this is incorrect,mi mams income is 11k a year,she get her accountant to do yer end of year return as she is still self emplyed,then she takes it all in to the housing office and they do the forms for her.

her rent is approx 95 quid a week and the full council tax is abougt 675 per year with the discount off,the housing pay approx 240 per month towards the rent,wich has made a massive diffrence to her life as she used to pay the lot,until a housing asc officer made yer fill all the form out and helped her.

Tets, you have to remember, everyone brings joy to the forum, some when they log in, the others, when they log out! :57:

[zilnor]

Gets,
As your mum is self-employed her accountant may have been able to offset expenses against her earnings , which would reduce her net income, allowing her to receive some benefits. And certain benefits are age related. You are right about help with the rent. Good luck to her. She is of the generation who helped to put the Great in Great Britain. Bless em each and every one of em !

[Tetley]

Depends how much your pensions are, ( if you're a pensioner) .
If you get more than around £170 a week, you'll get sfa , other than a 25% reduction on your council tax if you live on your own.

Zills this is incorrect,mi mams income is 11k a year,she get her accountant to do yer end of year return as she is still self emplyed,then she takes it all in to the housing office and they do the forms for her.

her rent is approx 95 quid a week and the full council tax is abougt 675 per year with the discount off,the housing pay approx 240 per month towards the rent,wich has made a massive diffrence to her life as she used to pay the lot,until a housing asc officer made yer fill all the form out and helped her.

[zilnor]

Depends how much your pensions are, ( if you're a pensioner) .
If you get more than around £170 a week, you'll get sfa , other than a 25% reduction on your council tax if you live on your own.

[Tetley]

If yer aint got no paperwork....yer own nowt on paper

yer go back ... pay yer own rent for 12 months,then apply for help if yer saving are under 14k if yer need help  once yev  re -established yer uk economic intrest.

befor yer set off
if possible get on yer kids utility bills,a bank acount from the address ,this will help with the landlord checks so yer can rent.

[PhillipJLloyd]

If you have a house in Spain and can't sell it, ( but any house will sell at a price ! ) and you return to the UK, you would be a bit silly to tell them !

[Tetley]

If you have a house in Spain whether legal or illegal you will not get no help with housing benefit in the UK.
You will also be classed as making yourself homeless by returning to the UK.

I bet there are one or two return ees over the years that have over come your observation abought no help over the years....and recived help....probably just takes a bit of forward planning... pre departure  lol

[tandas]

And if you can afford to buy anything over £125000 will clobber you with 2nd home stamp duty until you have sold your Spanish place, papers or no papers!

[Roy Thomas]

If you have a house in Spain whether legal or illegal you will not get no help with housing benefit in the UK.
You will also be classed as making yourself homeless by returning to the UK.

[PhillipJLloyd]

Fing is..... its glass half full for the no paperwork folks..... because if they don't own X all with no paperwork and assets under 15k they might get uk housing help,

were as if they have a registered home all publicly registered.... carnt sell,stuck on there own,in ill health they carnt get uk help/house trapped.

the other thing is a lot of stuff was sold on a private contract...although its a gray area and the contract is supposed to be publicly recorded, a lot arnt.

lets be honest with all this UK  self inflicted bxllocks at the moment yer probably not going to sell with paperwork unless its very cheap.

what folks need to be looking at is how they can pass there homes on to the family ie the Spanish way that's been done over years,and just carry on enjoying there years.

Tetley, you're on a roll this morning.  :clap:

[Tetley]

Fing is..... its glass half full for the no paperwork folks..... because if they don't own X all with no paperwork and assets under 15k they might get uk housing help,

were as if they have a registered home all publicly registered.... carnt sell,stuck on there own,in ill health they carnt get uk help/house trapped.

the other thing is a lot of stuff was sold on a private contract...although its a gray area and the contract is supposed to be publicly recorded, a lot arnt.

lets be honest with all this UK  self inflicted bxllocks at the moment yer probably not going to sell with paperwork unless its very cheap.

what folks need to be looking at is how they can pass there homes on to the family ie the Spanish way that's been done over years,and just carry on enjoying there years.

[PhillipJLloyd]

The only rush is if you want to sell.
Everyone has been told, make sure its legal. so buyers are cautious.
There is a buyer for everything at a price, but with all the fuss about illegal houses being made, its now not a level playing field, different to when most were purchased, at over inflated prices.
Those with illegal houses still might be better off selling now at a reduced price, rather than waiting and competing with lots "when or if" they are made legal and all those waiting to move market their houses

[Karen4]

So what exactly IS the rush then PhillipJLloyd? Why not wait until it, eventually, gets done, maybe a generation or two from now? Isn't this the way things have always been done in Spain? As you kindly remind us?! Not a big problem, is it? Give it time. 

[PhillipJLloyd]

Roger summed it up "It is difficult to explain to the Spanish why a lack of an escritura is a problem".
So their attitude is Whats the problem ?? so no rush and will it ever now be done ??

[zilnor]

Innovation 14 has been a subject for discussion on this forum since May 2014, three years ago and three years before the reffo ! 

[Tetley]

Tetley, have to agree, Roger, banging head and brick wall ??
Interesting to know how many houses agents will sell in the near future ??

well by december you will be able to ask,When the plus valour money is totted up.....then compare it to 2015  16

[PhillipJLloyd]

Tetley, have to agree, Roger, banging head and brick wall ??
Interesting to know how many houses agents will sell in the near future ??

[Tetley]

Have to agree with Zilnor, anyone who has lived out of the UK, for the past decade or two, hasn't a clue whats it's like. Some who have only been away for a couple of years have even forgotten !!

well hopefully you two  might even grasp the SP  end as well.....eventually,now  yer all  uk genned up   :great:

yer never know,yed could mebee assist Mayor Rog....with yer all experience in both countrys as well.   :039:


however to summerize in the real world

houses were built on rustic land

the town hall is trying to get retrospective planning for a  Brit retirement village

Brittan....is removing its self from the European community and in effect undermining  the EU......because of EU  imigration

attitudes are hardening.......DAILY

Gib  & old peoples home UK pollies & some of the UK media are cranking bad feeling between Spain,UK,EU

ITS not rocket science to consider it could delay a planning signature.

[PhillipJLloyd]

Have to agree with Zilnor, anyone who has lived out of the UK, for the past decade or two, hasn't a clue whats it's like. Some who have only been away for a couple of years have even forgotten !!

[Tetley]

" you're not going to grasp it in Stafford" . Fair enough, but it works both ways. You have lived out of the UK for 15 years so it can be argued that you don't fully appreciate what life is like there  now.

To be clear about Roger, I am not criticising him. I have said more than once he is doing his best to help fellow Brits and deserves a round of applause.

You know I luvs ya Tets.  :58:

Wong again Zills but hey...whats new 

[zilnor]

" you're not going to grasp it in Stafford" . Fair enough, but it works both ways. You have lived out of the UK for 15 years so it can be argued that you don't fully appreciate what life is like there  now.

To be clear about Roger, I am not criticising him. I have said more than once he is doing his best to help fellow Brits and deserves a round of applause.

You know I luvs ya Tets.  :58:

[Tetley]

With this British Gob Arse media, dont worry abought INO 14 we will be lucky if were not all deported or interned.....twxts   :banghead:

http://elpais.com/elpais/2017/04/05/inenglish/1491374901_344175.html


Rog,just do the garden luv .....the jobs Xed but yer did yer best. ( ie a week today since A50 was served and were all ready at this level of shxte :banghead:  )

[Tetley]

To get things in perspective ...
In Arboleas
All houses have mains water and electric
All houses, including the illegal ones, are registered as legally occupied
All houses are registered for Council Tax (although some of the rustic houses are waiting for the bills to be sorted out)
Almost all houses have tarmac roads
No houses have been demolished, or are likely to be
The only problem with the delay are for people who want to sell and mostly want to move back to the UK.
For those who came here to live out their retirement there is no problem
unlike the serious and stressful situation in other areas such as Zurgena where they are in court to protect their homes.

It is difficult to explain to the Spanish why a lack of an escritura is a problem.
If you say that it is because they want to leave Spain and go back to the UK, you can imagine that does not impress.
They have welcomed us into their small community and do not want us to leave.

and that is it,Arboleas has come a long way since 2011.

[Tetley]

Tets,
Disagree with you.

If you are right then Spain is proving to be just another greedy state of the EU, that was so willing to take the Brits money over many years yet you say " there is no rush now with anything to assist Brits" . Why ? Why would they treat
" decent honourable Brits" in such a callous and uncaring manner ?  Ungrateful bar stewards  :banghead:

It is not "idiots like Howard" who have invested their hard earned money in their modest dream home in the Spanish sun and have suffered years of stress and uncertainty. People like Howard can afford to buy two or three houses in the sun, and if one goes wrong, do they care ? They can afford to write it off,  and probably claim tax allowances .

All those Brits, mainly pensioners, are living under very stressful conditions , getting older and with no end in sight of their nightmare.

I am surprised that you seem to be more sympathetic towards the Spanish than your fellow Brits.

your  not going to grasp it in Stafford,so we will have to dis agree,Roger Done has put his Retirment into helping people and like me understands the job,because we have both lived & worked here and basikly understand the job , its very diffrent to the pensioner pool clean & menu del dia hunt.

[Roger]

To get things in perspective ...
In Arboleas
All houses have mains water and electric
All houses, including the illegal ones, are registered as legally occupied
All houses are registered for Council Tax (although some of the rustic houses are waiting for the bills to be sorted out)
Almost all houses have tarmac roads
No houses have been demolished, or are likely to be
The only problem with the delay are for people who want to sell and mostly want to move back to the UK.
For those who came here to live out their retirement there is no problem
unlike the serious and stressful situation in other areas such as Zurgena where they are in court to protect their homes.

It is difficult to explain to the Spanish why a lack of an escritura is a problem.
If you say that it is because they want to leave Spain and go back to the UK, you can imagine that does not impress.
They have welcomed us into their small community and do not want us to leave.

[PhillipJLloyd]

Buying an illegal house is a mistake you have made and gotta live with, if number 14 happens treat it as a bonus !!

[zilnor]

Tets,
Disagree with you.

If you are right then Spain is proving to be just another greedy state of the EU, that was so willing to take the Brits money over many years yet you say " there is no rush now with anything to assist Brits" . Why ? Why would they treat
" decent honourable Brits" in such a callous and uncaring manner ?  Ungrateful bar stewards  :banghead:

It is not "idiots like Howard" who have invested their hard earned money in their modest dream home in the Spanish sun and have suffered years of stress and uncertainty. People like Howard can afford to buy two or three houses in the sun, and if one goes wrong, do they care ? They can afford to write it off,  and probably claim tax allowances .

All those Brits, mainly pensioners, are living under very stressful conditions , getting older and with no end in sight of their nightmare.

I am surprised that you seem to be more sympathetic towards the Spanish than your fellow Brits.

[Tetley]

Trouble is Tets, some people have been waiting a long time, from years before the referendum.

If what you say is true, does'nt put the Spanish authorities in a good light. They were all happy to take the Brits money over the last forty + years : tourism, property purchases, spending in local businesses .

I fully understand why some people have had enough.

And the trouble is Zills this reffo / and UK anti EU ness combined with idiots like Howard have hardend attitudes here,il be very suprised if there is any rush with anything now to assist Brits with Idoits like Howard gobbing off the blokes a prxck and is un doing years of good will that decent honrable Brits have built up over the years here in Spain.

[Roger]

The afo scheme does not apply to any of the rustic houses in Arboleas,
because the amendment to the planning law which allows this route specifically excludes those houses which can be made fully legal.
The afo scheme is a means to obtain escrituras but the house remains outside urban planning laws.

In Arboleas the urban plan to urbanise the rustic houses has been prepared and is awaiting final approval.
We have been working on this for five and a half years, which in urban planning terms, including the UK, is a very short time.

I understand that people have been waiting a lot longer than this, but until October 2011 NOTHING had been done to start to solve the issue.
The attitude back then was "why are you so worried about an escritura, most local people have never had one".
And when people said that they wanted to sell their house they did not understand because in this area no-one moves on, and if they do they keep their house for when they return.

[zilnor]

Trouble is Tets, some people have been waiting a long time, from years before the referendum.

If what you say is true, does'nt put the Spanish authorities in a good light. They were all happy to take the Brits money over the last forty + years : tourism, property purchases, spending in local businesses .

I fully understand why some people have had enough.

[tonychris]

As it now seems very likely that Innovation 14 will not go through in the near future, will it now be possible for all those in limbo to be considered to receive their paperwork through the AFOL scheme, which the AUAN negotiated with the powers that be? :051bye:

[Tetley]

So what new reports are Urban Planing asking for now?  What is the next step for those of us who want to leave?  Do we just lock up and go?  Thdre are so many villas like that now there will soon be no one left.!

there is no need to lock up and go,there will be a need to wait....all this Brexit snit and Gib Sabre rattling is been viewed very badly at the mo here,so there isn't going to be any rush by any officals to assist in Legalizing British enclaves.....wich is how high brit areas are seen.

[tandas]

So what new reports are Urban Planing asking for now?  What is the next step for those of us who want to leave?  Do we just lock up and go?  Thdre are so many villas like that now there will soon be no one left.!