Racist attacks

[zilnor]

Felipe.  Your last two posts are excellent. clap: :clap:

Mo, of course Felipe is entitled to his opinion and can join the debates.
I wish you would stop saying " We ( other posters ) don't understand the problem". When will you understand that the vast majority of Muslims have no wish to integrate and in their view, Islam is the only true faith. In their eyes the rest  of us are infidels and therefore we have no right to life. They are bigots and racists, not the non-Muslims who have understandably become very worried about their own safety and that of their loved ones, because of the increasing number of brutal and bloody terrorist attacks carried out by radical Muslims.

[felipe]

I have said it before and I will say it again. I would rather I had an input into discussions using my own account rather than register with a pseudonym and post that way. I am entitled to discuss and add my views as much as the next person. Just because I own the forum should not exclude me from debate.

It is not biased but making a point. Please read my post carefully and point out the bias. And do not get me on the smoking thing either as that is equally out of order for those of us that do not smoke.

You have said yourself that people need to integrate as the Jews etc have. So why is it that we have to succumb to what Muslims want. As someone has pointed out some schools do not allow pork anymore, some councils will not allow Happy Christmas and the list goes on. Pampering.

[Challenger 383]

Don't just think Europe finds itself at odds with Islam, the whole of South East Asia is in the same boat, only it's Buddists at odds with Islam, and Buddists are one of the least violent faiths on planet Earth.

[webejamin]

Water fight in Hyde park turns nasty, Mcdonalds ransacked etc, several stabbings. All have one common denominator !
(check out the cctv and still photos) and the faces police are looking for in connection with this.
Can anyone guess the common denominator ?

Well it was London, so they must all be UK born and bred white males? ???

[Greggers]

Water fight in Hyde park turns nasty, Mcdonalds ransacked etc, several stabbings. All have one common denominator !
(check out the cctv and still photos) and the faces police are looking for in connection with this.
Can anyone guess the common denominator ?

[Challenger 383]

Felipe, absolutely spot on :clap: :clap: :clap:     

[guest14507]

Roger. You only picked out one piece of my post that suited your argument, so I will ask again. Have you got some way of telling who is and who isn't a terrorist, because in every case that one kills people, neighbours/friends say "he was a nice quite sort of person" or something along those lines. So, yes I am suspicious, not frightened, there is a big difference, of any muslim.

[Jo-JoB]

Mo,

I don't make the dictionary definitions, they are what they are!

I find it difficult to understand why you think it's a strange use!! perhaps you could enlighten me.

It is Humanity, as we are the ones who try to stop the actions of these evil people. They commit the atrocities, they are the Inhumane group, not us, we try to stop it, therefore we are humanitarian!

Mistrusting something is not racism!

And please don't tell me ''I don't understand the real problem'' I probably have a better understanding of multi cultural problems than most as I live and worked in a very multi cultural environment.

I have said before, Equality is a great ideal!! As long as EVERYONE is treated equally.

* amendment, When I talk of Muslims, I mean Radical Muslims. Just so everyone is in the picture!!

[mowilliams143]

Posted by: junepeter

""Roger. You say, some people see a muslim and see a potential terrorist, "
I assume you do not go out because you may see a Muslim and they may be a terrorist.
You must leave a very frightened life, when you see a Muslim.
How do you know they are a Muslim.
How do you know they are a terrorist.
The killer of Joe Cox was maybe he was a Muslim in disguise.

Bigotry is ''Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions to oneself''. So if you have ever posted a comment, and someone has disagreed with you, Then you're both ''Bigots''
Strange use and definition of bigot.
Jo-JoB
"Mistrust of another community is not Racism, it is common sense, everyone mistrusts what they don't understand."
"Fear or loathing of a community which murders, rapes, tortures, and subjugates, is not Racism, it is Humanity."
This is not humanity it is mans INHUMANiTY to man.
So I have been robbed by white anglo saxons from next house they must be racist because I mistrust them.
If they were Muslim they must be terrorist and they are racist.
Both the above quotes show how people do not understand the real problem and that bigots and racist are self defeating in the actions and thoughts.
felipe You should be careful  about the view you express, people are allowed out during working time to smoke.
Your post in my opinion as the owner of the site and a moderator should not be biased etc as you set the tone for the whole forum and what the moderators will and will not accept.
The jews are a good example of people who were forced to come to the UK as refugees still have their closed communities, and religious beliefs. They have changed to integrate and this must be the aim of all sections of community.
The same can be said about any community be them Sikhs Poles ,Ukranes or non Spanish speaking Christians in Arboland.

[felipe]

Just look at my post about Fireman Sam to see why people think that all Muslims are extremist. It is the fundamental issue behind all the hate against them. They demand, demand, demand. Like others, I too worked amongst them and the pampering that went on was outrageous. Setting up special rooms so that they could go and pray. How would that have gone down decades ago if Catholics or Jews or any other religion said we need somewhere to pray. Get stuffed would have been the answer.

I genuinely believe that the likes of Channel 5 are simply scared of being targeted by extremists and so take the easy way out and apologise profusely for the error. What bloody error?

Trouble is now, the bed has been made and the world has to get on with it. Without a severe turnaround that says NO we will not provide you with a prayer room nor allow you to go and pray whilst the rest of us are working. Pray in your own time and get on with living in the western world if that is where you want to live. it is called ADAPTATION.

It is Muslims insisting on us doing what THEY want that is the root cause of the hatred towards them. This never happened with the Sikhs or Jews when they came to the UK. They settled and integrated. Set up their own churches / places of prayer on got on with enjoying life.

When given a place to live they did not complain like a Syrian family is doing in Scotland. Given a place of sanctuary away from the bombing in Syria they have the audacity to complain that where they are is boring!! Send them back then! Bet the soon change their minds. This it the type of thing that gets most Brits wound up and the reason for so much disquiet among the UK populous.

[Jo-JoB]

Couple of points we need to be clear on.

Racism is NOT the hatred of other races. ''It is the belief that your own race is superior''. Muslims consider them selves to be better than everyone else. ''death to infidels'' etc. So they are the Racists.

Bigotry is ''Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions to oneself''. So if you have ever posted a comment, and someone has disagreed with you, Then you're both ''Bigots''

These words get banded around by people who have corrupted the meaning to suit their agenda, Mistrust of another community is not Racism, it is common sense, everyone mistrusts what they don't understand.

Fear or loathing of a community which murders, rapes, tortures, and subjugates, is not Racism, it is Humanity.

[jabba the cat]

Nosun said

I have similar experience.

Roger it is an honourable thing you are trying to do, but after all is said and done these people are guests in our country and should behave in a way that is acceptable instead of antagonistic and demanding as a whole.

It boils down to which chocolate in the box is poisoned and why should we as a people have to live with this stress and daily roulette. I suppose until it's your loved one on some pavement bleeding out at the hands of the hard line branch of these people you will not have any empathy or realisation of the risks you take by defending an evil within. Read all about 7/7 then imagine being there or having your loved one there. Times have changed since you have been away
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Zilnor said


Roger,
You say you left the UK many years ago.
With respect, if you have not lived in the UK for the last 25 years, and in particular in areas where immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants are in the majority, you have no comprehension of what is really going on. I lived in the London borough of Tower Hamlets for some years, where some areas were 85% Musllim. The  majority have no wish to integrate, and are very happy to create their own ghettos.  I am talking from experience.

The followers of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism , Buddism, are not behind these evil acts of terrorism currently  being carried out across the world. Followers of Islam are. Fact.


Abolultly agree with these two comments saves me a lot of time typing well said.
Im afraid its people like Roger with their soft approach which has allowed this problem to grow like a cancer throughout the UK and Europe.
Im sorry to say that Dictators like Saddam knew as much and knew how to deal with it. :tiphat:

[guest14507]

Roger. You say, some people see a muslim and see a potential terrorist, I am one of those. You, on the other hand, have obviously got some magic formula whereby you can see who is and who isn't a terrorist. Please share it with the rest of the world.

[zilnor]

Roger,
You say you left the UK many years ago.
With respect, if you have not lived in the UK for the last 25 years, and in particular in areas where immigrants, especially Muslim immigrants are in the majority, you have no comprehension of what is really going on. I lived in the London borough of Tower Hamlets for some years, where some areas were 85% Musllim. The  majority have no wish to integrate, and are very happy to create their own ghettos.  I am talking from experience.

The followers of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism , Buddism, are not behind these evil acts of terrorism currently  being carried out across the world. Followers of Islam are. Fact.

[Jo-JoB]

This topic was about racist attacks.

Watching the UK news it is clear that there has been a big increase in attacks against minority groups, mainly Muslim.

Whatever the reason for this people have to understand the result.
It will force minorities into ghetoes. This will mean less integration.
If you want to know what effect this will have just look at France and Belgium, societies which have made it difficult for Muslim minorities to integrate.
You create a breeding ground for terrorist recruitment.

People in the UK have to understand that you cannot change the racial and religious mix in the UK.
All you can do is create an integrated society.

Sorry Roger, I have to disagree.

The ghettos already exist,

I worked for 30 plus years in the inner city of Manchester, and Muslims do not want to integrate. They are not interested.
Part of my job was to create links with the minority societies within my area. I had no problem speaking with Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Shintoists, but when it came to making connections with Muslims, they didn't want to know. The Somalis were the worst, they wouldn't even speak to you.

The only time they would make any kind of connection was if they got something out of it, or if they could sell you something.

Typical example!! We had a ''Chip Pan Amnesty'' if we attended a fire where a chip pans was involved we would swap it for a deep fat fryer which was obviously less of a fire hazard.
The local Muslims heard about this, and we couldn't get rid of them then! They would come to the fire station demanding we replaced some knackered old pan with a deep fat fryer and were very aggressive when told No.

The only way to stop this is by being very severe with punishments, If any member of a Muslim family is found supporting or accessing radical Muslim web pages or literature then the whole family is deported. All assets and possessions seized. That way the head of the families will force younger members to stop.

[Roger]

What planet am I living on???

Obviously not the planet occupied by most of the contributors on this forum.
Most people just want to live their lives in peace.
Some people seem to see a Muslim and see a potential terrorist.
I suggest that is your problem because that attitude will create a world of confrontation.

Odd really when I see people cheering when they see a famouse Muslim winning medals for the UK.

As for ghetoes, it is normal for people to want to live amongst people who have the same language and culture as themselves -- a bit like Arboleas!!.

Fortunately most educated young people in the UK have an open mind on this subject, unlike the paranoid contributors to this topic.

Discuss ...........

[webejamin]

I think one of the main reasons for the opposing views on the subject is down to experience, if you've seen it, lived it and not had to read about it, you'll have one view, but if you only read about it, see it on the telly, or hear about it, then you'll have another view. Of course those media reports will only ever be what they want you to believe, (or what you want to believe) and probably not fact. I've often read reports of things I witnessed and wondered what bunch of liars are reporting these things, but that's life, they only report what they've heard (or wanted to hear) ???
Funny old world innit :tiphat:

[Tetley]

Nosun
id just like ti thank yer,for not pressing yer Hignore button on mi..... :lol:

[Iceman]

No it is about the fact that the hole of the exit campaign was about immigration and how we should close our borders to all those foreigners and  they would get rid of those foreign emigrants because they where not English. also it is a fact that in law only a white person can be a racist .

[roboman]

That last remark by Junker sounds like the death knell of the EU and a question for Roger ,what planet are you living on.

[jabba the cat]

Well it seems EU president Juncker  has no problem with all the headlines re Racists attacks. :thumbsdown:


Headlines Breibart news 

Juncker: No Matter How Bad Migrant Crisis, Terrorism Gets, We'll Never Give Up On Open Borders

[Challenger 383]

If you think the UK is racist try living in Australia or New Zealand, or just listen to a Maori talk to any other South Pacific  polynesian Islander.

Your right Webbe, in essence they really don't want to mix, and that just breeds suspicion and mistrust. There isn't a solution to terrorism except do as the Germans do and just take them out. Stop wasting people's time and taxes, if they are caught red handed permanently remove the problem. Sod human rights, the perpetrators showed no respect for their victims rights.

[webejamin]

Tetley, you're right about governments getting us into this mess, by allowing and encouraging it. In the early 70s a whole block of flats were emptied of East London people, to house immigrants, all of one race, the local Labour council refused to accept that they were creating a ghetto, saying it was what the immigrants wanted. The whole area became a criminals paradise. Needless to say, we moved out asp. :tiphat: 

[webejamin]

The Muslim ghetto's have been set up for 40/50 years, they were set up by Muslims, for Muslims, due to their own unwillingness to integrate into UK society. It's nothing to do with them being kept apart, it's how they like it and woe betide you if you venture onto their manor. All this talk about "racist attacks" is more about Jews being attacked by Muslims, or Indian and Pakistani assaults, ethnics attacking each other. The other, non reported race crime, is white people being attacked by ethnics, but that must be dying out, because there aren't many white UK people left in those areas.

I really don't know why I explained that ??? most people know it already. :tiphat:    

[Tetley]

Ghetto's already exist.
Integrated society, nice dream, reality check required, meanwhile people are dying because of this adamant socialist dream

So whats the answer Nosun,do we just build death camps and illiminate those whom dont fit the current thinking,should we empty our UK  hospitals on Muslm staff and just bang em up in case they might be having dark thoughts,rather than thinking of the morgauge payments..........

all governments have got us into this SHXT  over the last 50 years .... ( or  more.. example Cromwell in Irealand & Scotland with his murder in the name of the Puritans ),and if people dont have the intelligence to handle ALL Religions..........they should just ban it,untl folks LEARN  to live along side each other in peice,

:outtahere:

[Roger]

This topic was about racist attacks.

Watching the UK news it is clear that there has been a big increase in attacks against minority groups, mainly Muslim.

Whatever the reason for this people have to understand the result.
It will force minorities into ghetoes. This will mean less integration.
If you want to know what effect this will have just look at France and Belgium, societies which have made it difficult for Muslim minorities to integrate.
You create a breeding ground for terrorist recruitment.

People in the UK have to understand that you cannot change the racial and religious mix in the UK.
All you can do is create an integrated society.

[Tetley]

Its a Worry.......

[Tetley]

You have probably got more chance of dying from deisel engine polution in the uk or factory emissions,than yer have a terrorist attack,most of the free thinkers saw these attacks coming last September,when the tree huggers were trying to save everybody and letting them in,

a lot of these terrorist types have shxty lives at the bottom end,so if they wernt getting reved up with the profit,they would be up to some other mind numbing addiction..........


what the governments will do,is just secure all day to day actions from travel to shopping........once they get the street troops inlisted,a sort of Orwells 1984,but for the 21st century. :snowball:

[guest14507]

What puzzles me now is, the UK anti-terrorists organisations will tell anyone that cares to listen that they know of lots of people that reside in the country, they believe are connected to terrorism in the UK. Why don't they throw them out? Before somebody brings up "EU Human Rights Act", the UK has now decided to leave the EU so what do they care what the EU thinks/does.

[mowilliams143]

What in true terms has the EU got to do with racism. Racism was just as rampant before the EU.
Do you think if the EU did not exist it would stop the influx of refugees
Also people keep saying governments must stop terrorism.
How the hell can they do that.

[ajc]

To be honest everyone talks about needing to
Sort these problems out , I actually believe it's to late
I read on here people slating people who voted to leave the EU
because it effects exchange rates and house prices
Well people want to open there eyes to bigger issues than
Can they only buy 4 beers this week instead of 5 ,
Britain at least is opposing the silly state the EU is in and all its excuses

[roboman]

Who are these scum? Looks to me like they are all linked to one thing and that one thing is totally opposed to western democracy and values but we will suffer many more incidents like this before the apologists and hand wringing appeasers step back and relinquish control to people brave enough to confront Islam and all it stands for.

[mimosas]

Savages

[Pickaxe]

when is the world going to wake and know this a war
so lets get going  and rid the world of this scum
before it is to late

[Jo-JoB]

Just read that a 84 year old French priest has been murdered in Normandy. He has had his throat cut and another person was seriously injured by knife wielding maniacs linked to IS.

This stuff is happening nearly everyday now and still our governments ponce about scared to take up the fight, they just do nothing but say ''it's a tragedy''.

As I have stated before this is not about racism, nor is it religion based hate.

Its just plain EVIL, a despicable hatred of everything the civilised world stands for.

The Countries of the world need to join together to wipe this filth of the face of the Earth!!