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#91
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by Roger - April 14, 2024, 11:18:32 AMI will publish a full history of how Arboleas got to this state.
However just to correct another lie.
Between 2000 and 2018 1680 houses were built.
Of these 300 were illegal, in that they were built on rustic land.
The rest were in Urban Limbo, to quote the planning officials in Almeria.
This is because they were built on land which had not been registered by the Town Hall (Cristobal was Mayor at the time) with the planning office in Almeria, which was required by the LOUA published in December 2002.
Angel Garcia took office on the death of Paco, in February 2009.
None of the illegal houses were built during Angels period of office.
In fact almost all building had ceased by then,
All the illegal houses were built under the regime of Cristobal and his Deputy Paco, who took over in June 2003 when Cristobal decided not to stand for election, to pursue private work.
However just to correct another lie.
Between 2000 and 2018 1680 houses were built.
Of these 300 were illegal, in that they were built on rustic land.
The rest were in Urban Limbo, to quote the planning officials in Almeria.
This is because they were built on land which had not been registered by the Town Hall (Cristobal was Mayor at the time) with the planning office in Almeria, which was required by the LOUA published in December 2002.
Angel Garcia took office on the death of Paco, in February 2009.
None of the illegal houses were built during Angels period of office.
In fact almost all building had ceased by then,
All the illegal houses were built under the regime of Cristobal and his Deputy Paco, who took over in June 2003 when Cristobal decided not to stand for election, to pursue private work.
#92
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by Malcolm - April 14, 2024, 10:53:36 AMAs a representative of the clients in Los Torres I can assure you that Roger is correct in what he says about the escrow. In fact he has underestimated considerably. It needs my signature to release any money so if it's (sic) disappeared then you can't trust anyone can you.
#93
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by Tetley - April 14, 2024, 10:13:00 AMSo in a nutshell its a Compleat X ing disaster that was never going to be behind anybody buy August .
as we say in Engineering
the Jobs Fxxx,ed.
FIN
as we say in Engineering
the Jobs Fxxx,ed.
FIN
#94
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by Roger - April 14, 2024, 09:52:55 AMPalminspain is demeaning herself by publishing false and distorted information, clearly under the instructions of the PSOE opposition.
She should be honest and open and publish in her own name.
I will publish the true situation regarding the housing situation in Arboleas, to follow ....
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However I must state the facts concerning the Los Torres Escrow account, to counter the lie that money has gone missing.
All expenditure from the account has been correctly controlled by various lawyers, representatives of the clients, and me.
It has been used to install vital infrastructure, in particular a water supply and an electric supply.
This was not installed by the builder.
It has also been used to pay for architect projects and AFO certificates for the clients.
There is still over 100k left in the account.
The tax embargo against Promar share of the finca remains.
But this is a combined embargo also on Promar land in El Rincon and Los Carrascos.
Promar has tried for the past 6 years to get a settlement figure from the Hacienda concerning the share of the embargo on Los Torres, without any success.
While the embargo remains it will not be possible for the Town Hall to proceed with the Parcelisation Project for Los Torres, or for Los Carrascos.
It does not however prevent the segregation of each plot using an AFO certificate.
The current issue with Los Torres and the problem for the clients with AFOs is that Promar has had its licence to trade suspended by a judge, on a totally different issue.
Until it is renewed Promar cannot sign to transfer the land individually to the clients by segregating the condominio under the terms of the AFO certificates.
We are waiting for the Hacienda to complete the process, and the escrow account has been making payments to the hacienda as requested to hopefully get this sorted.
The problem would be if the hacienda demands full payment of the debt before agreeing to return the registration, because there was never going to be enough money in the escrow account to cover this.
This problem with the builder is nothing to do with AFOs or ARIs.
It is a legal problem with the builder and the Courts.
Out of the hands of the Town Hall or lawyers.
It is a stark warning to anyone, whichever their builder, that you should act immediately to segregate your land with an AFO and thus obtain your escritura.
No one can foresee what might happen.
She should be honest and open and publish in her own name.
I will publish the true situation regarding the housing situation in Arboleas, to follow ....
_______________________________________________________________________
However I must state the facts concerning the Los Torres Escrow account, to counter the lie that money has gone missing.
All expenditure from the account has been correctly controlled by various lawyers, representatives of the clients, and me.
It has been used to install vital infrastructure, in particular a water supply and an electric supply.
This was not installed by the builder.
It has also been used to pay for architect projects and AFO certificates for the clients.
There is still over 100k left in the account.
The tax embargo against Promar share of the finca remains.
But this is a combined embargo also on Promar land in El Rincon and Los Carrascos.
Promar has tried for the past 6 years to get a settlement figure from the Hacienda concerning the share of the embargo on Los Torres, without any success.
While the embargo remains it will not be possible for the Town Hall to proceed with the Parcelisation Project for Los Torres, or for Los Carrascos.
It does not however prevent the segregation of each plot using an AFO certificate.
The current issue with Los Torres and the problem for the clients with AFOs is that Promar has had its licence to trade suspended by a judge, on a totally different issue.
Until it is renewed Promar cannot sign to transfer the land individually to the clients by segregating the condominio under the terms of the AFO certificates.
We are waiting for the Hacienda to complete the process, and the escrow account has been making payments to the hacienda as requested to hopefully get this sorted.
The problem would be if the hacienda demands full payment of the debt before agreeing to return the registration, because there was never going to be enough money in the escrow account to cover this.
This problem with the builder is nothing to do with AFOs or ARIs.
It is a legal problem with the builder and the Courts.
Out of the hands of the Town Hall or lawyers.
It is a stark warning to anyone, whichever their builder, that you should act immediately to segregate your land with an AFO and thus obtain your escritura.
No one can foresee what might happen.
#95
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by palminspain - April 14, 2024, 08:44:59 AMQuote from: SanJuan on April 14, 2024, 08:07:12 AMPlease clarify how the money has disappeared from the owners bank account on Los Torres, are you alluding to the escrow account?
There is a person in this forum who can give you all the responses. You can imagine who is he.
#96
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by SanJuan - April 14, 2024, 08:07:12 AMPlease clarify how the money has disappeared from the owners bank account on Los Torres, are you alluding to the escrow account?
#97
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Arboleas politics
Last post by palminspain - April 14, 2024, 07:58:57 AMAs Johnny73 well says, after all this waiting time, the AFO can be the best solution for those people. You sell the house with a lower price but you get the freedom and you don't pay the possible urbanization costs. I think it's a balanced compensation after too waiting time.
The reality is that the problem of illegal houses in Arboleas and other towns in the region is very complex and requires the participation and collaboration of many affected people and elements. The difference with other towns is that Arboleas has the legal base to legalize the situation thanks to innovation 14.
During the elections, people in this forum offered quick and magical solutions. They said that we had to vote to the PP and everything would be resolved on August 2023. All of this were false promises that they knew perfectly well and they cant keep, as we are seeing now, because the situation is very complex and there are not magic solutions.
To set the legal basis to resolve the illegal houses problem, The former team in the town hall (Cristobal 2011-2023) needed the develop of 3 innovations (Innovación 12, 13 y 14) during 6 years. This was a big achievement that required numerous resources and time. Roger knows this complexity perfectly and I have explained it in this forum several times.
This work can be compared with the period 2003-2011. Remember that during the government of Angel García (PP Number 5) and partners (2003-2011), they developed 11 Innovations to get nothing, as Roger also commented sometimes in this forum.
ONE IMPORTANT DETAIL: When the former team (Cristobal) and Roger took the town hall in 2011, there were more than 1,000 illegal houses in Arboleas, due to the urban disaster made by Angel García (PP Nº 5) and partners with their 11 innovations . In fact, the urban law was worse than 2003. For this reason, the former team with Roger developed the innovation 12 and 13 to recover the situation before 2003. As if that weren't enough, the town hall had more than 3.5M € of debt. 12 years of government seems like a long time, but with these serious problems, I think that everything is better understood. Roger can confirm this information, I have explained all these problems in this forum.
The next step was the ARIs/PERIs development. The former team develops 14 ARIs from 2018 until 2023. More hard work with a lot of people affected and interests in conflict. To see the complexity of those documents, everyone can see the example of La Perla ARI in the town hall website:
Obviously, most of people like us don't know the complexity of these tasks and problems. It requires long time. For this reason, It is normal that people decide to change the mayor to someone who promises you a quick solution after 12 years waiting. But now, We can see and live, that there isn't a quick solution for a complex problem.
A clear example of these serious difficulties is the case of Los Torres. The real problem of these owners is with their promoters: they continue with embargo on their plots and a very complicated situation and relationship with them. They have an AFO but they can't still make the "escritura" due to the promoter (The former team in the TH had not responsability in this issue as somebody said in this fourm). Furthermore, the money to pay the possible urbanization costs has "disappeared" from the bank account of these owners. In this case, unfortunately, the victims have again been deceived with false promises and quick solutions as we can see now. During the election campaign the problem was the "politician", now, with a new politicians, the problem continues. It is not just a political issue.
Worst of all in Los Torres case, they voted again to the people who earned money with the sale of the rustic land where their houses were built and who allowed their illegal houses to be built, as is the case of number five of the PP ( Angel García).
Anyway, now, It is necessary the ARIs and PERIs implementation with the parcelling and urbanization. The new government must show its capacity and will to resolve the problem, as they promised us during the elections campaign. I hope they achieve it, but like many people around here, I have my doubts.
The reality is that the problem of illegal houses in Arboleas and other towns in the region is very complex and requires the participation and collaboration of many affected people and elements. The difference with other towns is that Arboleas has the legal base to legalize the situation thanks to innovation 14.
During the elections, people in this forum offered quick and magical solutions. They said that we had to vote to the PP and everything would be resolved on August 2023. All of this were false promises that they knew perfectly well and they cant keep, as we are seeing now, because the situation is very complex and there are not magic solutions.
To set the legal basis to resolve the illegal houses problem, The former team in the town hall (Cristobal 2011-2023) needed the develop of 3 innovations (Innovación 12, 13 y 14) during 6 years. This was a big achievement that required numerous resources and time. Roger knows this complexity perfectly and I have explained it in this forum several times.
This work can be compared with the period 2003-2011. Remember that during the government of Angel García (PP Number 5) and partners (2003-2011), they developed 11 Innovations to get nothing, as Roger also commented sometimes in this forum.
ONE IMPORTANT DETAIL: When the former team (Cristobal) and Roger took the town hall in 2011, there were more than 1,000 illegal houses in Arboleas, due to the urban disaster made by Angel García (PP Nº 5) and partners with their 11 innovations . In fact, the urban law was worse than 2003. For this reason, the former team with Roger developed the innovation 12 and 13 to recover the situation before 2003. As if that weren't enough, the town hall had more than 3.5M € of debt. 12 years of government seems like a long time, but with these serious problems, I think that everything is better understood. Roger can confirm this information, I have explained all these problems in this forum.
The next step was the ARIs/PERIs development. The former team develops 14 ARIs from 2018 until 2023. More hard work with a lot of people affected and interests in conflict. To see the complexity of those documents, everyone can see the example of La Perla ARI in the town hall website:
Obviously, most of people like us don't know the complexity of these tasks and problems. It requires long time. For this reason, It is normal that people decide to change the mayor to someone who promises you a quick solution after 12 years waiting. But now, We can see and live, that there isn't a quick solution for a complex problem.
A clear example of these serious difficulties is the case of Los Torres. The real problem of these owners is with their promoters: they continue with embargo on their plots and a very complicated situation and relationship with them. They have an AFO but they can't still make the "escritura" due to the promoter (The former team in the TH had not responsability in this issue as somebody said in this fourm). Furthermore, the money to pay the possible urbanization costs has "disappeared" from the bank account of these owners. In this case, unfortunately, the victims have again been deceived with false promises and quick solutions as we can see now. During the election campaign the problem was the "politician", now, with a new politicians, the problem continues. It is not just a political issue.
Worst of all in Los Torres case, they voted again to the people who earned money with the sale of the rustic land where their houses were built and who allowed their illegal houses to be built, as is the case of number five of the PP ( Angel García).
Anyway, now, It is necessary the ARIs and PERIs implementation with the parcelling and urbanization. The new government must show its capacity and will to resolve the problem, as they promised us during the elections campaign. I hope they achieve it, but like many people around here, I have my doubts.
#98
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: SPRING
Last post by steveconway24 - April 13, 2024, 19:21:53 PMThe bee eaters just arrived enmasse! Amazing sight and sound.
20.15, I have a an Ibex happily grazing about 20 meters from the house and the airshow of swifts, swallows and martins. The bee eaters higher up and the odd bat darting about. Awesome.
20.15, I have a an Ibex happily grazing about 20 meters from the house and the airshow of swifts, swallows and martins. The bee eaters higher up and the odd bat darting about. Awesome.
#99
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Water Restrictions - Pools
Last post by Angleseyite - April 13, 2024, 12:09:44 PMQuote from: Tetley on April 13, 2024, 11:34:16 AMthink i might open a shop in albox selling farmers water Ang ,
the shop further up from Mercodana sells wasps ,he seems to do ok in summer .....ie always got a few in the window....
#100
Arboleas General Chatter - Sponsored by / Re: Water Restrictions - Pools
Last post by Tetley - April 13, 2024, 11:34:16 AMthink i might open a shop in albox selling farmers water Ang , 
the shop further up from Mercodana sells wasps ,he seems to do ok in summer .....ie always got a few in the window....
the shop further up from Mercodana sells wasps ,he seems to do ok in summer .....ie always got a few in the window....